# Jonathan Abourbih: Creating a Culture Where It's Okay To Take Risks

EP-047 | March 23, 2020 | 43:53




Robby speaks to Jonathan Abourbih, Engineering Team Lead at the BBC in Voice & AI. They discuss how to conduct blameless post-mortems, what's technical debt vs. bad code, and the challenges of measuring your success as a manager after years of being a developer. Jonathan also shares stories about large Java apps in a pre-Garbage Collection world.





## Show Notes

Robby speaks to Jonathan Abourbih, Engineering Team Lead at the BBC in Voice & AI. They discuss how to conduct blameless post-mortems, what's technical debt vs. bad code, and the challenges of measuring your success as a manager after years of being a developer. Jonathan also shares stories about large Java apps in a pre-Garbage Collection world.

## Helpful Links

- Jonathan [on Twitter](https://twitter.com/jonzo1)
- [The Prime Directive](https://www.retrospectivewiki.org/index.php?title=The_Prime_Directive)
- [BBC Careers](https://www.bbc.co.uk/careers/home)
- [Google's Project Aristotle](https://rework.withgoogle.com/print/guides/5721312655835136)
- [Growing Object-Oriented Software Guided by Tests](http://www.growing-object-oriented-software.com/) by Steve Freeman and Nat Pryce
- [The Power In Agile](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL-6RCTywbc) Talk by Sarah Mei
- [Book] [The Phoenix Project](https://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Project-DevOps-Helping-Business/dp/0988262592) by Gene Kim

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