# Marco "Ocramius" Pivetta: What Senior Devs Should Spend More Time On (It's Not Writing Code)

EP-010 | June 17, 2019 | 46:46




Robby speaks with Marco "Ocramius" Pivetta, a software consultant specializing in PHP. Marco gives his input on different types of technical debt he's seen, working with less experienced developers as a senior, and getting "kicked in the teeth" as a developer. He also shares what great senior devs should spend more time on (hint: It's not writing code).





## Show Notes

Robby speaks with Marco "Ocramius" Pivetta, a software consultant specializing in PHP. Marco gives his input on different types of technical debt he's seen, working with less experienced developers as a senior, and getting "kicked in the teeth" as a developer. He also shares what great senior devs should spend more time on (hint: It's not writing code).

## Helpful Links

- [Follow Marco](https://twitter.com/Ocramius) on Twitter
  - [Marco on Github](https://github.com/Ocramius)
  - [Book] [Effective Java](https://www.amazon.com/Effective-Java-Joshua-Bloch/dp/0134685997) by Joshua Bloch
  - [Book] [Learn You a Haskell for Great Good!: A Beginner's Guide](https://www.amazon.com/Learn-You-Haskell-Great-Good/dp/1593272839/r)  
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