# Mariah Howard: How To Discuss Technical Debt With Product Managers

EP-012 | July 1, 2019 | 30:23




Robby speaks with Mariah Howard, Senior Product Manager at Thinkful, to discuss technical debt from a product management perspective. Mariah touches on Google's metrics framework, leading vs. lagging indicators, and technical debt in products outside of the world of code. You'll also learn more about Thinkful's mission and methodology as an online school for engineers.





## Show Notes

Robby speaks with Mariah Howard, Senior Product Manager at Thinkful, to discuss technical debt from a product management perspective. Mariah touches on Google's metrics framework, leading vs. lagging indicators, and technical debt in products outside of the world of code. You'll also learn more about Thinkful's mission and methodology as an online school for engineers.

## Helpful Links:

- [Thinkful](https://www.thinkful.com)
- [Mariah on LinkedIn](https://bb.linkedin.com/in/mariah-howard-85b53a)
- [Google HEART framework](https://ai.google/research/pubs/pub36299)
- [Book] [Design Thinking](https://www.amazon.com/Design-Thinking-Playbook-Transformation-Businesses/dp/1119467470)
- [Book] [The Principles of Product Development Flow](https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Product-Development-Flow-Generation/dp/1935401009)

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