# Pim Elshoff: Refactoring How Engineers Communicate With Management

EP-008 | June 3, 2019 | 41:10




Robby speaks with Pim Elshoff, Software Developer at Procurios. Pim explains why developers should improve their communication skills when speaking with management, recalls his biggest mistake as a developer, and gives tips on explaining your side of an argument and how to listen to empathize.





## Show Notes

Robby speaks with Pim Elshoff, Software Developer at Procurios. Pim explains why developers should improve their communication skills when speaking with management, recalls his biggest mistake as a developer, and gives tips on explaining your side of an argument and how to listen to empathize.

## Helpful Links

- [Follow Pim](https://twitter.com/Pelshoff?) on Twitter
- [Procurios](https://www.procurios.com/nl/)
- [Domain-Driven Design: Tackling Complexity in the Heart of Software](https://www.amazon.com/Domain-Driven-Design-Tackling-Complexity-Software-dp-0321125215/dp/0321125215/) by Eric Evans
- [The Developer's Model for Talking to Managers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOtJfLzDsfA) at WebCamp Zagreb 2018

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