# Zee Spencer: How Can We Reduce Carrying Costs?

EP-031 | November 18, 2019 | 38:03




Robby speaks with Zee Spencer, owner of Zinc Cooperative, and programmer at Cohere. They speak about how social systems impact software maintainability, why legacy code is profitable code, and consulting within a timebox constraint.






## Show Notes

Robby speaks with Zee Spencer, owner of Zinc Cooperative, and programmer at Cohere. They speak about how social systems impact software maintainability, why legacy code is profitable code, and consulting within a timebox constraint.

## Helpful Links

- [Book] [Mental Models:](https://www.amazon.com/Mental-Models-Exceptional-Decision-Making-Problem-Solving/dp/1093915684/ref=asc_df_1093915684/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=344089606732&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5302081091701363523&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9061082&hvtargid=pla-912030961152&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=69543897552&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=344089606732&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5302081091701363523&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9061082&hvtargid=pla-912030961152) 30 Thinking Tools that Separate the Average From the Exceptional. Improved Decision-Making, Logical Analysis, and Problem-Solving
- [Book] [Observing the User Experience](https://www.amazon.com/Observing-User-Experience-Practitioners-Research/dp/0123848695/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1TGG21HKTXDCL&keywords=observing+the+user+experience&qid=1573862982&s=books&sprefix=observing+the+user%2Cstripbooks%2C219&sr=1-2)
- [Zee on Twitter](https://twitter.com/zspencer)
- [Cohere](https://www.wecohere.com/)
- [Cohere on Twitter](https://twitter.com/WeCohere)
- [Zinc Cooperative](https://twitter.com/ZincCooperative)

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## Transcript