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Class of 2025

The why behind the line

  • 22 classmates
  • 19 hours of conversation
Robby Russell in 2025
Class host Robby, 2025

A note from your host

This class brought framework creators, people who wrote the books, and a lot of practical advice about keeping your stack simple enough to live with.

The class of 2025

  • Class of 2025

    EP-216 Kent L Beck You’re Ignoring Optionality… and Paying for It December 9, 2025, 50 min Listen to the episode
    EP-205 Mercedes Bernard Friendly Code Welcomes Everyone In April 8, 2025, 49 min Listen to the episode
    EP-198 Mike Bowers From ISAM to JSON—Navigating 40+ Years of Database Evolution February 11, 2025, 45 min Listen to the episode
    EP-209 Joel Chippindale Why High-Quality Software Isn’t About Developer Skill Alone July 1, 2025, 57 min Listen to the episode

    Kent L BeckMercedes BernardMike BowersJoel Chippindale

  • Class of 2025

    EP-206 Freedom Dumlao What 70 Java Services Taught Me About Focus April 22, 2025, 63 min Listen to the episode
    EP-199 Marty Haught Rethinking Technical Debt—Is It Really Just Drift? February 18, 2025, 53 min Listen to the episode
    EP-195 Joel Hawksley The Hidden Costs of Frontend Complexity January 14, 2025, 46 min Listen to the episode
    EP-210 Sara Jackson Why Resilience Is a Team Sport July 22, 2025, 53 min Listen to the episode

    Freedom DumlaoMarty HaughtJoel HawksleySara Jackson

  • Class of 2025

    EP-212 Nathan Ladd Relentless Improvement and the Cost of Neglect October 14, 2025, 55 min Listen to the episode
    EP-196 Carola Lilienthal Tackling Technical Debt with Patterns and Domain Knowledge January 21, 2025, 43 min Listen to the episode
    EP-200 Julia López Code Tells a Story—Even the White Spaces February 25, 2025, 51 min Listen to the episode
    EP-215 Don MacKinnon Why Simplicity Beats Cleverness in Software Design December 2, 2025, 51 min Listen to the episode

    Nathan LaddCarola LilienthalJulia LópezDon MacKinnon

  • Class of 2025

    EP-207 Joe Masilotti Simplify Your Stack, Ship Mobile Sooner May 20, 2025, 56 min Listen to the episode
    EP-197 Lorna Mitchell Writing Documentation Engineers Will Actually Read January 28, 2025, 43 min Listen to the episode
    EP-211 Taylor Otwell What 14 Years of Laravel Taught Me About Maintainability August 26, 2025, 56 min Listen to the episode
    EP-204 Evan Phoenix The Why of the One Line April 1, 2025, 69 min Listen to the episode

    Joe MasilottiLorna MitchellTaylor OtwellEvan Phoenix

  • Class of 2025

    EP-213 Denis Rechkunov When Consistency Becomes a Culture October 28, 2025, 67 min Listen to the episode
    EP-203 Chris Salvato Building Developer Paradise by Sitting in the Problem Space March 25, 2025, 47 min Listen to the episode
    EP-208 Melanie Sumner Why Continuous Accessibility Is a Strategic Advantage June 10, 2025, 50 min Listen to the episode
    EP-202 Heimir Thor Sverrisson Architecture First, Tech Debt Second March 18, 2025, 41 min Listen to the episode

    Denis RechkunovChris SalvatoMelanie SumnerHeimir Thor Sverrisson

  • Class of 2025

    EP-201 Noémi Ványi Only Fix Problems That Are Actually Problems March 11, 2025, 42 min Listen to the episode
    EP-214 Chris Zetter Building a Database to Better Understand Maintainability November 18, 2025, 50 min Listen to the episode

    Noémi VányiChris Zetter

For the record

First day of school
Joel Hawksley, January 14, 2025
Longest conversation
Evan Phoenix, 01:09:13
Last bell
Kent L Beck, December 9, 2025